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Interview II with God

I continued to roam through the deserted, destroyed area of what I believe to have once been an Arab village

God, it's been more than two years since we began this interview,
and a lot of material has been posted to the site since then.
What of that new material seems the most important to you?

"This is a medium of outer communication between humans and Deity.
Recently the most important events
in the relations between humanity and Deity
have manifested
as a new and much deeper relationship of cooperation
between the Mother and me.
Many of these new developments are reflected
in the material in the Mother Expression area.

"Three other areas are important enough to mention.
The channeling class is helpful in making the point
that inner communication with me is easier
than the spiritual 'authorities' on Earth would have you believe.
I am waking up inside of you,
and our inner communication will help make this process much easier and quicker.

"The healing class material reflects
what is most in the center of my attention.
This is my work,
and yours as well
to the extent that you join with me in it.
Healing is not only desirable,
it has become necessary to the survival of Creation,
and Spirit has some clear responsibilities here.

"As I do the work at the level of Deity,
your own individual spirit works at the level of humanity.
You are the vehicle
in which and through which the healing will happen.
You are the 'venue'
in which the Mother and I will heal the Gap
which has held all the death, disease and suffering
you have learned to take for granted,
yet was never intended.
You are the healer,
and this class is meant to help support you in this way.

"The four steps to wholeness reflects the pattern or map
of how you can find your own unique path
of fulfillment and healing.
This material was posted before the channeling class began,
and the second step has since been revised
to emphasize the importance of our inner communication
along with the 'driving backward' practice."

This spot demonstrates, how the way of living in this Arab village was not much different from the way of living on that ancient site: carved out cisterns and ponds and steps ...

It was here, that Tomer agree to be photographed, when I revisited the spot together with him the next day - as "a healing of my wound" [see "the Gate-Story", Aug. 25, 2008]

God, several questions come to mind.
First, you have mentioned several times
that the new lesson in the healing class about Body would be starting soon.
When is 'soon' to you?

"This is a very good question.
I've gotten a bad reputation about promises I've made,
but didn't seem to keep,
or at least didn't deliver on time.
I'd like to begin clearing this up now
with an understanding about the healing class promise.
'Soon' can mean anywhere from 'sooner than you think'
to 'longer than you thought possible'.

"Since I can't say exactly
when something will happen without engaging in soothsaying,
I like to use the relative term 'soon'
when I mean not immediately,
but not too long either.
Some readers have already gotten
a lot of the material on Body from me on the inside
as 'soon' as they read
that it would sometime be available
on the web site here on the outside.
You can trust that you will get the material
as soon as it's right time for you,
regardless of what I or anyone else says about timing.

"The Body lesson,
like the rest of the healing class,
is about how I as Spirit
am doing the healing work at the level of Deity,
and how your spirit can join with me
to do the same for humanity.
On the inside I have shown the channelers and others
some new practices that are intended
to ground the material on Body in direct experience.
As they test the practices and work with them,
the human level issues that come up
inform me about how to best proceed with the lesson.
As 'soon' as we all get it together enough
to have it channeled accurately,
the lesson will begin.

"In the meantime,
there is still more material yet to be channeled
for lesson three about the Spirit polarity.
However, at least part of the Body lesson
may come sooner
than the additional Spirit material becomes available.
There will also be a new reality class lesson
that will put forward some fundamental understandings
about the nature of manifestation,
which are necessary as a foundation
for the more specific healing class material about Body."

Thank you.
God, what about all those other promises, down through the ages?

"There have been a lot of misunderstandings
about what my role has been in the lives of humans.
For a long time I'd given humans the idea
that I was both all powerful and full of love for them.
From this they logically surmised
that I would help them in the ways they asked me to,
whenever they asked.
To this end they developed a one-sided form of communication called 'prayer'.

"In their prayers
they told me
what they believed they wanted,
and asked me to give it to them.
When that didn't happen,
they blamed themselves for being too bad or sinful
to deserve my loving attention and assistance.
Except for times when they blamed me
for being an all powerful, uncaring ogre
who ignores the pleas of helpless humans
that didn't ask to be born in the first place,
who sends them more pain, misery and trouble
than they can handle.

"Neither you nor I am to blame
for us not understanding each other better here,
but I'm taking responsibility for it.
Those old images of me
were meant to get your attention
so I could be more 'helpful' in your evolution.
Unfortunately my help turned out to be more like meddling,
and caused some serious misunderstandings and imbalances
in the relationship between us.

"All of the difficulties between Spirit and humans
were reflections of the difficulties and imbalances
in my relationship with the Mother.

"The truth is that this is a free will universe.
Even if I were all powerful
in the ways you've imagined me to be,
fixing things that go wrong in your life
and giving you things
you haven't been able to get for yourself
would make a mockery out of your free will and self-determination,
and would not be helpful to your development
as an evolutionary will being.
Besides, only you can address your challenges.

"A prayer asking for advice is always answered,
no one expects you to be able
to figure all this out without guidance.
A prayer asking for my presence in your healing work
will always get a positive response
because that is truly my role in your life.

The way they once built the walls of their courts and terraces, is well preserved here

pp12 and pp34
"I've said that if you want to communicate with me,
talk with me like I'm a mentor or coach,
but not like I'm your parent
who is responsible for you and your development.
You're beyond that stage now,
and I am no longer feeling parental toward you
as if you are the child and I the adult.

pp12
"Your role as the healer
who finds their own wholeness means
that you must eventually become parental to yourself,
to all of your energy,
all of your parts,
all of your fragments.
Wholeness has no parent outside of itself.
As you learn to parent yourself,
you learn to become aware of
and take responsibility for all of your energy,
all of your lost parts,
all of your projections,
all of your feelings, thoughts and behaviors,
and even what you believe to be going on 'outside' of you.

"Healing into wholeness means
taking responsibility for achieving wholeness.
And wholeness means no separation,
no gap between you and rest of you.

This is where prayer becomes less important
and channeling and direct experience become necessary.

pp20
"Your wholeness includes all that has come before,
and I am a big part of that.
And the Mother is an even bigger part of who you truly are.
You won't be able to do this healing work
without including us and our understandings and points of view.
And when we are in communication,
the process immediately becomes much easier, quicker and less painful.

pp29 and pp34
"Direct inner communication with each of the four parts of Deity
is crucial if you expect to reclaim the powerful parts of yourself
that you have projected onto us.

pp34
This is why I emphasize the importance of the channeling class.
However, the practices in this channeling class
are not necessarily for everyone,
there are other ways to commune with us on the inside,
and if you'd rather develop your own way
of establishing and maintaining a reliable inner connection with us,
then ask us on the inside for guidance about how do this.
And if the guidance feels right, follow it.

"Your own path to wholeness
is the only one you'll ever know for sure.
Your life and how you conduct it
is your unique expression.
It's good to borrow ideas and understandings
from outside sources like this,
but develop and follow your own inner programs and schedule.

What tree is this, a plum tree? a pear-trea? - It is almost dead - but a few blossoms still keep it alive

Thank you. God, what is an evolutionary will being?

"Humans are one example of a very special class of beings
that have not been created,
but rather evolve as other creatures.
The difference between you and other evolving creatures, however, is
that you have all four parts of Deity within you,
and your evolution therefore parallels ours.
We share with you
the pleasures, pains, problems and concerns of beings
who seek wholeness, freedom and love.
We're just a little ahead of you on the way there.

"Evolutionary will beings have a very special role in Creation.
Although they are part of Creation,
they are the way they are
not because they were created so,
but because they have evolved themselves to be
who they are now.
And although they were not created
like the angels and the myriad other spiritual beings have been,
they are not the Creators, either.
At least not yet.

"Your role as an evolutionary will being
is to carry Creation on to its next level.
The way this is accomplished is
that you bring yourself together
so that you are whole, without any denials.
This means that you will be aware of yourself
as each of the four parts of Deity,
and as the whole of Deity.
At this point you will have become the newest part of Deity.
You'll then be ready to begin your own Creation,
and the next Universe will be born."

White anemones are rare!
When I see such beauty in a place, where - besides me - probably nobody will admire it, I'm always overcome with envy:
"Why can't I be content with simply BEING like this anemone - instead of yearning for being received, accepted, loved by others?"

God, this raises lots of questions.

"Yes, it's a good thing we can talk about this openly.
However, I wish to reserve
some important specific questions and answers
for communication with those who ask me on the inside.
But we can talk about it in general now, if you wish."

Yes, this is good.

God, in the first part of this interview
you talk about your "plan" for humanity,
and you also discuss free will.
If you've got a plan, how is it that we have free will?

"My plan is really Grandfather's plan,
and it includes all of the possible realities
that can be generated
as a result of your exercise of free will.
Although my own, original plan was thwarted
by events unforeseen by me,
Grandfather has shown me
how I had blinded myself with my denials
and how I'd allowed myself to become weakened with guilt.
And he has shown me the way out of the blind alley I'd become trapped in.
I'm now following his guidance
in mending my relationship with the Mother,
who is the final authority on free will.

"Because our development has been parallel,
I'm now playing the role with you
that Grandfather played with me
when I asked him to help me heal myself and my Creation,
especially my relationship with the Mother.
So, like me you have the freedom to choose
whether to continue on as you have,
or take the advice and guidance of a kindly stranger
from deep inside yourself
who can show you to resources that can help you heal.

"Either way Grandfather's plan will come to pass,
and you will be more than you've imagined being.
You will have more than you've imagined having,
and you'll understand more
than you've imagined possible to know.

pp12
And if you choose the path of self parenting
and take responsibility for your own healing,
you will also have your own Creation
to recreate in any way you like."

Rows and rows of terraces...

Continuation of the pictures of my "Tomer-less" hike as background to the "Learning Experience with 'Embedded (Self-)Denial' ", Febr.7, 2009
see in Interview with God, Part Three

Okay, thank you.
God, you mention Grandfather.
Some of us have had bad experiences with our grandfathers
and some of us have had only positive experiences.
How do we know "Grandfather" can be trusted?

"This is a fair question
since you haven't yet had much direct contact with him,
at least not in this medium.
He is very accessible on the inside, however.

pp39
"The term 'Grandfather' was chosen
because it is the term used by many indigenous cultures on Earth
to denote the final authority as Spirit,
the being that's beyond even the 'Great Spirit'.
And also, it's an easy way for me to communicate the meaning,
'the original Source of my Light'.

"I didn't just wake up,
realize I'm God,
find the Mother
and start creating the universe from scratch.
A lot of work on the raw materials
of form and manifestation had been started
long before I became aware of myself,
and it was given to the Mother and me
to use these as we willed to form this Creation.
This is another allusion to the relationship with Grandfather.
The Mother and I 'inherited' many of the present manifested forms
from previous creations in which Grandfather had participated.

"You will need to have your own firsthand experiences
to be able to decide for yourself
whether or not you can trust Grandfather.
I know this being well,
and given my experience with his grace and loving acceptance and good advice,
and given my own experiences with my own evolution,
I find it easy to trust him.

"This is certainly true
when it comes to my relations with the Mother.
I've missed the mark so many times with her,
and yet Grandfather understands her needs and desires in ways I do not.
He knows how easily Spirit can override her,
and he cautions me in areas
that I hadn't realized were important.
There is a good reason for this,
and before we resume this interview,
in the Healing Class we'll 'soon' discuss
the relationship between Grandfather and the Mother,
and more of why Grandfather's presence is now gaining strength in this Creation."

Okay, thank you very much.

Channelers' Note:
The material about Grandfather is now part of the Healing Class Three, Part Seven
Later healing class lessons build upon earlier material,
and it's important to read the earlier material
in order to understand the later material.
If you have not already, we recommend
that you read all of the pages in the healing class
before going on with the new material about Grandfather.

Next: Interview with God, Part Three